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Old 10-09-2011, 02:04 PM   #1
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Default US Oil reserves double

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...023932438.html

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Kinda nifty. US is choking for more energy right now. Gas prices in LA are up to about 4 dollars a gallon which is double what they were only a few years ago.


Much of this is the result of asshats... well nearly all of it. But the cool thing is that even they can't screw things up forever. New technologies have allowed us to drill deeper and reach more nuanced fields.

http://www.energyindustryphotos.com/...ng_methods.htm


Gas prices should crash.

This along with the hydraulic fracking could keep our existing energy system stable for decades.
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Interesting. Karma, do you have statistics on green energy vs. conventional energy? I want to asses the numbers myself, see whats the with the propotion of green/conv energy cost.
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Interesting. Karma, do you have statistics on green energy vs. conventional energy? I want to asses the numbers myself, see whats the with the propotion of green/conv energy cost.
That information is easily searched on the internet. Why are you asking me to find it for you?

Fine... lazy people...

http://www.ehow.com/facts_7804940_so...coal-cost.html

That says coal is 4000 times cheaper then solar panels on a cost per kWh basis.


Comprehend the difference. Imagine buying something... anything... and there being an alternative that was 4000 times more expensive. A sandwich... a drink... a pair of pants... 4000 times more expensive. Even if that figure is exaggerating it should give you the scale of the issue.


Solar isn't ready until we can find a MUCH cheaper way of harnessing it.
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Most of the cost related to "green" energy is infrastructure. We could switch immediately to something that didn't require us to switch, if you catch my drift.
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Most of the cost related to "green" energy is infrastructure. We could switch immediately to something that didn't require us to switch, if you catch my drift.
Not true...

We've tried that in California... we've been "switching" for 40 years... it's not getting cheaper.

http://webecoist.com/2009/05/04/10-a...energy-plants/

Note how many of those are in california.

We've tried them... Can't compete with coal, nuclear, and hydro. Till we crack cold fusion those are our energy sources.
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That information is easily searched on the internet. Why are you asking me to find it for you?

Fine... lazy people...

http://www.ehow.com/facts_7804940_so...coal-cost.html

That says coal is 4000 times cheaper then solar panels on a cost per kWh basis.


Comprehend the difference. Imagine buying something... anything... and there being an alternative that was 4000 times more expensive. A sandwich... a drink... a pair of pants... 4000 times more expensive. Even if that figure is exaggerating it should give you the scale of the issue.


Solar isn't ready until we can find a MUCH cheaper way of harnessing it.
Moore's Law...
Just give it a few more years.
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I said most, not all...

For Solar, the cost is in technology. It needs to be researched more. For others, its mostly because we don't have the infrastructure built around its distribution and use. That was the first problem with electricity when it was the new thing.
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That says coal is 4000 times cheaper then solar panels on a cost per kWh basis.


Solar isn't ready until we can find a MUCH cheaper way of harnessing it.
Solar will get cheaper. Once it becomes more financially practical it's a much better source, considering coal is a limited resource.

And fun facts: first tank of gas I ever bought with the car I have now was 1.769 on November 11, 2008. Cheapest tank ever for me was about a month later, at 1.479.
Most expensive tank was in May of this year, at 3.899.
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Moore's Law...
Just give it a few more years.
Moore's law doesn't apply to solar panels.

Look at the cost of solar panels or the watts per dollar and graph it.

It's getting better but it's not halving in cost or doubling in output every 18 months.
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I said most, not all...

For Solar, the cost is in technology. It needs to be researched more. For others, its mostly because we don't have the infrastructure built around its distribution and use. That was the first problem with electricity when it was the new thing.
Such as what?

If not solar then wind? Trust me, we've tried that too... it's been a disaster every time.

Maybe one day it will be worth a damn but it's NOT a matter of infrastructure. We built it. It was still crazy expensive.
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Solar will get cheaper. Once it becomes more financially practical it's a much better source, considering coal is a limited resource.
Your grand children's grand children will die of old age before coal runs out.

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And fun facts: first tank of gas I ever bought with the car I have now was 1.769 on November 11, 2008. Cheapest tank ever for me was about a month later, at 1.479.
Most expensive tank was in May of this year, at 3.899.
Exactly.
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